Marty: Welcome again to the Leadership Coaching Podcast.

Bill: Good to have you with us in our second season now. And I'd like to spend some time today focusing on your groups. Bill Tierney, my partner in this crime, is a little Very successful at pulling groups together and leading them. And this is a leadership podcast. And so I wanted to just talk a little bit with you about your groups and how they got going and who's in them and what's getting done there.

Bill: Absolutely. Yeah.

Marty: What if I, if I, if I wanted to develop my leadership, let's say, how would that. Or would that be supported by any of your groups?

Bill: Yeah, let's go with how it would be supported. And first of all, yes, it would be supported if you as a potential group member recognize the value of self leadership. Let me talk a little bit about that. Uh, some of the listeners I know are listening because they know me as a certified IFS practitioner, and they're listening for what I have to say about the relationship between the internal family systems model that I use with all my coaching clients and leadership or whatever else it is that they want to accomplish in their lives. Cause a lot of this stuff is really universal across the board, whether it's Whether a coaching client comes to me because they want to develop leadership, uh, skills and acuity, uh, or a leadership philosophy and approach, or they want to improve their relationships, or they want to, uh, improve their success and efficiency at work. I mean, there's a broad, as you know, there's a broad number of things that people come to coaching for. And recently we've been talking about project design and how to name what it is that they came for and how to measure it and how to measure progress. So if someone comes to me and they're interested in developing their leadership philosophy, acuity skillset, um, how being in one of my groups would help with that would be that they'd be able to develop self-leadership. So now let me define that. Self with a capital S is who we really are a true self. And, and that is, um, the way we talk about it in the IFS community, in the internal family systems, community of therapists and practitioners and clients. We refer to who are, who we really are, our true self as self with a capital S, and the reason it's important to develop self leadership is because that self, who we really are, has access to resources and qualities that we otherwise don't have access to.

Marty: Let me just interrupt for one quick second to say that the last episode, which was number. I want to say 43, maybe 44. Was focused on the difference between self with a capital S and self with a small s. Yes, give a, give a list. We're not talking about the, like, the, the person you're trying to be in the world. We're talking about your

Bill: truth. Yes, by the way, that was episode 42 and that was the last episode from season 1. Um, did you know that that that seasons have 42 episodes in them? Ours does we, we just arbitrarily said, hey, it's time for another season. Here we go. So I interrupted you, I beg your pardon. Oh, that's okay, and you make a great point. Self with a capital S is not who it is that we try to be, and it's not who it is that we're afraid we are.

Marty: Well, I was just gonna throw in, and you know, it's probably who you are when you're praying. It's probably who you are when you're unselfconscious, you know, when that, you know, that, that old adage, you know, dance, like nobody's looking that that's when you're being yourself.

Bill: Yes, go ahead. Well, I, let me just comment on what you just said. Um, you gave two examples, who you are when you're praying was the first one. And I noticed one internal reaction to that. And then you said who you are when nobody's looking. Is that how you said that?

Marty: Yeah, when you know that there's that old thing dance like nobody's looking.

Bill: Yeah. So that that fully resonates with me. The thing about the about prayer is that often when I'm when I have prayed in my life, it's been from a place of desperation and that certainly isn't self. That's fear. That's a part of me. That's afraid.

Marty: Good point.

Bill: Yeah. But for you, I know about you. I know that you're a spiritual being and that prayer is such a, an important part of your life. You experienced your true authentic self in prayer. I would, is that true? Yeah. Yeah. Nice. And I'm sure many of our listeners knew as well.

Marty: And that true self that I experienced in prayer is not the one doing all the talking.

Bill: We might, we might have to just schedule an episode on prayer.

Marty: I noticed it's in our list of coming topics, so that'll be good. Yeah,

Bill: good.

Marty: But let me stop interrupting you. Get on with it.

Bill: No, that's what we do when we have these conversations. We interrupt each other and we throw in the juicy little tidbits. That was juicy. Thank you. I think what I, what I was saying was that we get access to innate resources. That's why we want to be our true authentic self is because when we aren't, number one, we're suffering. I'm trying to be who I need to be so I can get the breadcrumbs that I think I might be able to scrape out a life. I'm afraid, I'm afraid the world's going to find out that I am who I'm afraid I am. I'm afraid I am someone that I need to be ashamed of. I'm afraid I'm someone who, I'm not speaking for myself current tense, but for example, um, I might be afraid that You're gonna if you find this shameful thing about me, like, I'm not lovable, like, I'm not enough or like, I've done bad things in my life. You may not love me. You may not accept me. You're not you may not include me when as you can imagine in a leader leadership position when that is the voice that's running the show of leadership. I'm running that show from fear and facade

Marty: I wrote down three things that I think are right on fear is typical of the self of the small as. Trying to be something is and then judgment is the way I summarize, you know, like, I'm worried that you're going to shame me or that I'll you won't, I won't please you or something like that. So those are 3 really good, you know, Things to look for. Am I being myself or am I being this persona that I like to be? Is there fear, trying or judgment present?

Bill: Really nice. That's great. Another way to, to know if you're asking yourself, if you're checking yourself and doing a self assessment on, am I coming from capital S self or am I coming from one of these parts of myself that is still trying to manage my, my image, what people think of me and what people might find out about me. It's how it feels. Do I feel empowered? Or do I feel like you use the word trying? I couldn't agree more. When trying is involved, usually we have a diminished part of myself. I usually have a diminished part of myself that's efforting to try to manage you, to try to manage what you think of me, to manage, try to manage whether you accept me or not approve me and include me, we're going to get real limited results from that, whether I'm leading or being led in my life. So, in these groups, let's go back to that in these groups. What I first began to do was I formed the groups because there's this huge and, um, growing community. People that are recognizing that the internal family systems model is very effective at being able to help them shift from suffering to empowerment. Now, in the IFS community, that language that I just used is not typical. We're not going to hear, I'm suffering and therefore I'm going to IFS. And we're also probably not often going to hear, I use IFS because it's empowering. Empowering is kind of dates me a little bit. I'm 69 years old. And that was a, a word that was often bantered around in the 80s and 90s when it came to pop business coaching and, and business help books. But I love the word because, because empowered, I feel empowered. I feel energized when I'm in self. And, uh, I feel depleted when I'm trying so hard to manage my facade. So I, in this IFS community of folks who recognize how healing it can be, how clarifying IFS can be, um, people that are, that are rushing into therapist's office and asking, do you use IFS? Because they've seen Dick Schwartz in a video or they've read one of his books, uh, or they've heard other people talking about IFS and what they. Uh, our finding that, and this really culminated in around, at about the same time that I was in my level one training for IFS, the word just got out, it exploded in about 2020. And then when COVID hit and everybody went on to zoom, somehow the word really got out at that point. Um, people were connecting with people all over the world and being affected by information that they didn't have access to in their local, local areas. Now everybody wanted to have an IFS therapist. Fortunately, at that time, the internal family systems institute was training, not just therapists, but also coaches and other practitioners that weren't licensed therapist. So, I got lucky enough to get in on that kind of training before they stopped training non therapists, which just happened this past January.

Marty: Uh,

Bill: it's 2024 right now. So, in January, 2024, I, F. S. Institute announced. We are no longer going to be training practitioners and coaches at the same level that we're training therapist. so much for your time. They did some adjustments and now here, here, nine months later or so, I think they're beginning their first level of training with IFS coaches, but it's not the same training as the therapists are getting. That's almost beside the point, but it's, it's very pertinent here because as all of these people are looking for ways to use IFS and apply it to their own lives, they're looking for trained caregivers that have been trained in the IFS model. And I'm kind of a unicorn now, uh, there aren't any more of me being trained at the level that I've been trained. A group of I don't know how many of us got trained before they stopped the training. In the meantime. Um, good luck getting in to see an IFS therapist because they are almost all full if they've been trained, if they, especially if they're certified, if they've been to level 2 level, level 3, most of them are full and have waiting lists. So, because IFS works so well, people are looking for affordable practitioners and coaches can't charge insurance. And, and individual coaching, as you know, can be quite expensive. A lot of time it's, it's almost an elitist industry where people, if they want individual one on one coaching, they're going to pay a premium that's far above what they might pay a therapist. And there's good, there's certainly value in that from your perspective. And for mine, we know that there's value in that , but for somebody that's looking for therapy. And then, when they can't find a therapist, now they want to reach out and see if maybe an IFS trained practitioner can help. Now we start having some, some challenges here because coaching is not therapy. And, and so for me, that's been, that's been a real challenge to distinguish that difference for myself, first of all, and also for my clients as they come looking for help in the IFS model. Go ahead.

Marty: Right, right, which is something we talked about in one of our early episodes. I'd have to look up which one that is. Maybe it's something worth returning to. Well, I'm just curious, what kind of people. Show up in your groups? I mean, do what? Would I qualify?

Bill: Who you know? Absolutely. You would. Yeah. A lot of people find out about my groups because they're in the the IFS community, which is why I've spent as much time as I have talking about that community. They find their way to me because they've heard that I am a certified IFS practitioner and that I know the IFS model very well. They've, they've heard from me because they've come into my pro bono groups called Parts Work Practice. Which my co leader, Allison and I put on 4 times a month with some volunteers and they, they, they come to me because they, they've been in 1 of those groups and I have facilitated a group and they've seen that I have a command of the model and they like the way that I use it. And so they are drawn into the group. That's one group of people that come in. Another group of people come into my groups because they Google IFS practitioner or IFS therapist.

Marty: They

Bill: find my website, they read about my services, and then they decide this looks like a good fit for me. It looks like a good fit, because here I'm going to learn about how to use the model as a practical application to solve the problems and achieve the things that I want to in my life. That's who does well in my group.

Marty: Okay. So if let's say I'm just hearing this episode of the. Leadership podcast and I don't know what IFS is. Might I still fit in the group or not? Yes.

Bill: Yes. That's an excellent question. The groups are ongoing and the people that are in the groups now know IFS really well because we are talking about IFS every single week. So, um, what I usually do if somebody is brand new, fresh to IFS is I recommend and I've got someone. That's doing this right now. And if he'll do, if he'll check everything off the list, then I'm going to welcome him into one of my men's groups. I asked him to go to the parts work practice sessions that are free to be introduced to IFS. I asked him to watch the Richard Schwartz videos and, and any other videos that he can find about IFS to get informed about that.

Bill: Yeah.

Bill: Read, read one of his books, no bad parts. Uh, in the name of the book that I recommended that he read before he come into my group. Got it. Got it. Okay. One more time before and I'll get a sense in a field. But does he seem to be getting a sense of what what is IFS and how does it work? And if so, I'll bring him into the group and and the group will include him. He'll be part of that community of up to 8 guys. Now that's the men's group. I have women's groups as well. He'll, he'll be one of eight men in this, in this, uh, authentic man group. And he will learn because he'll see the other participants modeling the IPS model.

Marty: Right, right. So what gives a sense of the kind of outcomes that people get How to being in these groups.

Bill: Yeah, they're, they are broad. They are, they are broad. Because I recognize that everybody comes with different ideas of what they're trying to accomplish. A lot of people come into the groups they're, they want healing. But as a coach, I want to know, I'm not a therapist, I want to know are you being supported in other ways other than me in this coaching group to heal your trauma, often is the case. And as long as they are getting other support, I welcome them into the group because I recognize that even though I'm a coach, I'm trained in the IFS model, we're going to be dealing with therapy, excuse me, with trauma. And so one of the ways that people benefit from being in the groups is they find that there's a village that they've always needed. There's a community that they've always craved without it consciously even knowing it sometimes. They don't know it until they get into the community and realize, Oh, my God, I'm getting filled up with something. I've needed my whole life and didn't even know that I needed it. So 1 of the outcomes is belonging, which is so important. So many of the things that we want to accomplish in life. I want to make more money. I want to find that perfect spouse. I want to live in a community that I feel safe in blah, blah, blah. I want to overcome my addiction, all those things, um, when in a village, a community of caring, deep feeling, like minded people, those people that are attracted to IFS because they're ready to do their deeper work, swim in the deeper end of the pool, they feel like they belong for the first time in their lives, some of them. I see you smiling a lot. What's going on?

Marty: Well, that metaphor makes me want to, you know, because I want to be in the deep end. So that's a meta that's an enticing metaphor for a swimmer.

Bill: Let me just say, I feel like I'm one of the luck. I'm a gotta be one of the luckiest people on the planet because I get to coach people. In the deep end of the pool all day, 3 days a week, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. I'm from 8 in the morning till 5 o'clock in the afternoon. I'm coaching people in the deeper end of the pool and it just fills me up. I, I'm so energized by it.

Marty: Um, so I know that you're very, the results is an important part of how you describe yourself and your practice. Who are these people and what kind of results do they get? You said that they're in the IFS community, but I mean, are they in the IFS community because their fellow practitioners or their auto mechanics who are also in the, you know, in the IFS community, you know, is that what kind of results could somebody I'm, I'm, I'm trying to appeal to who might be listening and want to get in 1 of those groups.

Bill: Okay. So let me just talk about each 1 of the groups. Um, 1 of the things that you said as a possibility was, are they practitioners? I will be starting a consultation group in October for practitioners that have been trained at either a level 1 by the Institute level or by Stepping Stones of Canada by or by 1 of these other organizations that trains practitioners and or therapist on how to use the IFS model. I'll have a 3 times a month weekly consultation group. That group hasn't started yet. So the outcome that those people would get would be to learn how to and get practice in how to use the IFS model in their practices to help their clients get the results that their clients want to get, whether that's healing, improve relationships, making more money. Okay,

Bill: so, um,

Bill: I have 2 men's groups. They're both called the authentic men group, man group. All of my groups max out at 8 participants per group and all of the groups meet for 90 minutes at a time. Those that come to the authentic men group. A lot of them identify with the no more Mr. Nice guy syndrome. And we, we had a couple of episodes with Dr. Glover and, and about the, or one episode with Dr. Glover and also one with Jeff and Mark, where we're talking about these, these, this concept of the nice guy. Essentially, the nice guy is a codependent who has, has learned to give in order to get, who has learned to do things like covert contracts where, where they're, they're performing. Without ever explicitly stating an expectation of a return on that investment, and then end up being hurt and resentful and misunderstood. So, in these men's groups, we help men move from being that performing, uh, human being to an authentic man. So,

Marty: just to go back to our earlier vocabulary, being nice in order to get in good with people is never the self with a capital S. That's

Bill: right. Because it's here's the giveaway. There's an agenda and you're trying. Yeah. Self shows up authentically with presence to be with whatever shows up.

Marty: Yeah.

Bill: Okay. Where many times our parts that are still tethered to the past and still burdened by that past. an agenda and with a lot of effort.

Marty: Yeah.

Bill: Okay. So those are the two men's groups. Got it. That's right. And then there's two women's groups. One is called a women's recovery group. And that is because the women that first came into that group were all in recovery from addictions of some sort. As time went on, And what we realized, those women in the group and I realized all at the same time is what we all have in common, no matter what the addiction was, or even if there wasn't an addiction is that we're there to recover our true authentic self. And we're recovering from the chaos that ensues when we forget who we are and try to be who we think we need to be. So that's the women's recovery group and the recovery is focused on recovering true authentic self. You're smiling and laughing. What's going on?

Marty: Sorry. Sorry. I don't mean to get you off track again. Um, well, I'm going to say something political. Okay. Maybe I shouldn't. Hey, you're a leader. You know how to lead. Let's hear it. Well, I just, I mean, the way you put that so perfectly to my ear described where this nation has been, you know, following this Um, inauthentic version of what Donald Trump thinks America is. And it's, and it's, the result has been chaos. We need to get back to our true self. Politics. Sorry.

Bill: You don't need to apologize to me. There may be listeners that are offended by that.

Marty: and I would love to talk about it with them, but seriously, but that is my point of view.

Bill: Yeah, when you say that we as a nation need to get back to true self, and some, I feel like I need to step away from politics with this comment, or I intend to at least, there is a, there are guiding principles for, for what that means. Who is it that we say we are as a nation? And, and, um, I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that the guiding principles are outlined in the constitution.

Marty: That's what it's for.

Bill: Yeah, there's a declaration of independence and then there's a constitution and,

Marty: and a bill of rights, all of that, so that we stay on track with our true self.

Bill: Yeah, so if, if, um, the majority of people in that vote in the country decide that the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and all of the guiding principles need to be thrown out and replaced, then that's what will happen. We will no longer be that version of who we say we are.

Marty: Yeah, we will no longer be the United States of America, right? Yeah,

Bill: we certainly won't be united. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and we, yeah, it'll be a different country for sure. If that's what happens.

Marty: Well, the, the only reason I wanted to throw that comment, I didn't really want to stir up political debate, but to show that a corporation can have a self too, that can get into chaos because it's not true to its purpose, just like a person can.

Bill: And, and with the corporation, here's the, here's maybe the difference between a person and a corporation when it comes to purpose. A corporation. You correct me, you may have a different position on this. Um, a corporation gets to decide what their purpose is. A nation gets to decide what their purpose is. A human being, I believe, can discover their purpose, but I don't know that they decide what it is.

Marty: Right.

Bill: Yeah, I agree. So when we discover that, and this gets back to true self, when we discover what our purpose is, whether we're consciously aware that that's what we've discovered, when we discovered something happens inside, there's an alignment I was, I was, um, talking to a client yesterday, not a client. This is, this is somebody that I'm collaborating with. We're working on, um, developing a protocol within the IFS model to help people let go of old beliefs that continue to get in their way in their present lives. Um, it's some version of updating and unburdening the past. Uh, but what we, what I was talking to her about was alignment and words like alignment and attunement we were comparing what we both understood the word attune. An attunement to me mean it was a beautiful conversation. I loved it. And as I was explaining what I, what I thought attunement was, I pulled out my guitar .

Marty: That's right. That's the first thing I thought of. Yeah.

Bill: And, and I said, you know, when I'm, when I pull, when I pull up my guitar, the first thing I do is I. I go to the C chord and I strum it. And if it sounds good, great, but it never does. If it, you know, if it sat there for a few days, the guitar gets out of tune often. And so, I don't know, I know that you've got a finely tuned ear, but we are on zoom. You may not have been able to hear that, but does this sound harmonious to you? Let me just say it's way outta tune and it's really painful to listen to. What I was saying to my collaborating partner was that music, two notes, they either harmonize or they're disharmonious, and we can hear it. Those of us that have ears for music, and I think everybody has the capacity for that. Some of us have developed that and some of us haven't. But I believe that truth is something that we also have the capacity to recognize. We can recognize truth and we can recognize. new information as valid or invalid. I think that's built right in. That's one of the resources that we have and that when we can return, restore back to who we actually are, we, that's one of the resources we can tap into so that we can begin to trust ourselves more because, because we can tap into that resource of recognizing truth, we can trust ourselves more and know when the information that's being fed to us is valid or not.

Marty: So in these groups, um, what is the format? What's your approach? Like, what can I expect to, to, to be like, and, you know, how's it going to unfold if I come to one of your groups?

Bill: Yeah, let me describe it and I'm imagining that the listener may, you know, some listeners might hear this as too touchy feely and other listeners might think that's the cat's meow. That's exactly what I, what I would love to have happen so let me just tell you what happens. The first three or four minutes, we always start on time. And the first three or four minutes of, of a session, I guide an in, what I call an internal check in. It's a, it's a guided meditation to just go inside and get present. And, and I make it up every single time. I don't have a memorized version that I use. And, um, so when I do the ideas, everybody gets present. In other circles, it might be called getting grounded. Um, but getting centered, but mostly getting present, arriving here. And then after that internal check in, everyone has up to one minute to report what they experienced during that internal check in or anything else they want the group to know in one minute or less. Once that's happened, in alternate weeks, one week we will have an open group discussion and or exercise. And in other weeks, I will do a coaching focus on one of the participants where I'll spend 30 to 45 minutes using the IFS model to walk them through exploration of their internal family, their parts. And then at the end of that session, we will do takeaways. And I ask this question every single week. What are you taking away from this conversation that you didn't bring with you? And that's the session in alternate weeks when we're not doing that. Well, I guess I've just said both at night. There's the exercise and or discussion week. And then there's the coaching focus week. There's not a fixed criteria. There's not a fixed curriculum. I started out with a fixed curriculum that went for 16 weeks. We started and we were, we finished, but this is month to month, month, and it's ongoing and people stay in it as long as it serves them to do so.

Marty: Very good. What's the, what's the part of the whole leading these groups that you enjoy the most?

Bill: I'd have to say it's when I'm working on the coaching focus. There's a lot of things I enjoy about it. I believe that may be the thing I enjoy the most because I noticed that time just absolutely flies by.

Bill: That's

Bill: something that seems to happen when I'm in true authentic self is that there's, there's either no sense of time at all, or, which is why I have to use a mechanical timer to remind me we've only got 15 minutes left here, for example,

Marty: that's definitely a sign that one is in self, you know, because there is no time. In that, in, in that realm.

Bill: The other thing I love about these groups for myself as the facilitator of them, is that when my clients, and they, this happens all the time when my clients bring their, their real life examples of how they are struggling or suffering, and they hope that IFS can help them. I, when I tap into that and really listen and get what's happening for them and when I'm in self. And that's my big, my, my most important job is to stay in self, use, use the training that I have, use the experience that I have, but stay in self so I can access the wisdom that, that harmonizes with that experience and that training. And some of the, some of the craziest stuff starts coming out of my mouth, not crazy, but some of the most profound and amazing thing come out of my mouth. And I recognize that they don't, they don't originate from me. That it's almost like I feel I just, I just get inspired and I say things and I'll go back and we'll record these sessions for anybody that missed them. And sometimes I'll go back and listen to what did I say? Wow. Wow. That was really good. So that's it.

Marty: Oh, I knew that.

Bill: I didn't know I knew that. Yeah.

Marty: What if, uh, how do I know if I should. Be in one of these groups of yours, or if I should ask you to coach me privately, how do I know which is best for

Bill: me? Right? Exactly. Well, I, I always have a 20 or 30 minute phone conversation, not phone zoom conversation phone if necessary, but mostly it's on zoom with a potential client before I invite them into a group or invite them into an individual coaching. The individual coaching is going to be a lot more focused on specific outcomes.

Bill: Mm hmm.

Bill: The nice thing about individual coaching is you can bring whatever project that you want to the coaching, and that will be our, our sole focus. Until that, until that objective has been accomplished and then we move on to the next objective. It's just you and me as your coach. Whereas in group coaching, your specific objectives aren't going to be focused on hardly at all in the group. That's going to be up to you to keep track of if you're going to keep track of it, you're, you're going to benefit from coming to the group to learn how to apply the IFS model and the perspective of IFS. That being, I am not a singular mind. My psyche is not singular at all. It's multiple. And so I have parts of me that think and feel differently than other parts of me, and then separate from those parts, there's a self, there's a, there's a fully resourced, wise adult self. That can provide leadership. So that's, that's the main objective of the groups is develop self leadership. Whereas the, the focus of the individual sessions is, is up to the client. What do you want coaching to do for you? And so after having a conversation with somebody for 20, 30 minutes, I'm listening for things that help me to vet out whether or not it's a client that I can help. And to work with they're listening hopefully for is this a coach that I can that I can trust and feel supported by And then of course they're going to be looking at finances and they're going to be looking at um, they're going to be looking at money and and The research they have and the time that they have to give it There are things that you're going to get from from group coaching that you can't get from individual coaching. The the village the community There's going to be me and you in individual coaching, which is great, because you get all my time and my attention for that hour, once a week. Uh, but in group coaching, you don't have to say a word. Everyone, by the way, is, is, participates in my groups. But you don't have to say a word. To get benefit from the group, you can just listen to me work with another client or listen to the conversation and just notice what's happening inside and benefit.

Marty: Great anything that you want to say about these groups that we

Bill: haven't touched on yet. Well, we haven't talked about the other the second women's group. It's called the loving self group. And, um, you know, that that was a phrase that I came up with when I was with when I was talking to Meredith, my marketing person. And she said, what do you want to call this group? And I said. I said, I don't know what to call it. It's, it's a, it's about helping people to use IFS practically in their life so that whatever they might be struggling or suffering with or whatever they, it is that they want to accomplish, they can bring IFS in and know how to be with their parts. And she said, well, and so what does that mean to know how to be with their parts? Uh, and we continued to talk about that and she, and, and she asked me a lot of the same questions that you're asking me, like, what would, what would be the benefit to somebody coming into this group? Uh, and one of the things I said was, well, they learn how to love themselves. And she said, well, that sounds like a really great name for the group, Loving Self. So that's what we decided on. And so that group, while it's not focused on, Recovery from addiction. Well, by the way, the other one isn't so much anymore either. It's like I said, focused on the recovery of true self. So is this loving self group. It's the same objective. Essentially, they're the same groups. They're just made up of a different group of people. A lot of people that are showing up in the loving self group are people from the adult children of alcoholics program. Who recognize

Marty: the

Bill: validity of the multiplicity of the mind and inner child work and shadow work and that sort of thing. Whereas the people that are showing up in the women's recovery group, a lot of them are coming from, um, uh, either some sort of an addiction or living with someone that's had an addiction. I want to make clear though, that that is not a requirement for either one of those groups. The only requirement is a willingness to take responsibility for your own experience and a desire to learn more about how you tick. Great. Cool. Other than that, I don't think that I have anything more to say about the groups other than what I would want to say to somebody one on one to answer their specific questions. So that's, that's the thing to do.

Marty: And where do I go? How do I, how do I start taking action toward being one of these groups?

Bill: I'd recommend anybody that's interested in being on one of my groups, going to my website and checking out the different pages that represent the different groups that I do check out my pricing, check out the authentic man group, check out the women recovery group, the loving self group and the consultation group, depending on what you're interested in. And then if everything looks like it's interesting to you, like, okay, this pricing works for me, this timing works for me, there's a Q& A on each one of those pages, then set up a 20 minute conversation with me and let's meet. And talk and see if I, you and I both agree that you're a good fit for the group. Okay.

Marty: Very good. Awesome.

Bill: Yeah. I appreciate you asking all these questions about my, about my groups, Marty, because, uh, as we're recording these episodes for the podcast for leadership, uh, I often think about, this is something that I want to bring to my group. This is a conversation that I want to bring to my group and, and to look at it through an IFS lens. And often I'm like chomping at the bit to throw that in, but I don't want to take over these episodes only talking about IFS or only talking about my particular business. You can tell, I can feel it. I'm sure you can feel it. I'm very enthused about the difference that, that IFS can make in people's lives. And I know that the best leaders out there are the ones that had somehow developed inner confidence and inner trust so that, so that they're not, Having to work so hard to try to be somebody. The, I, my experience has been the most natural, the best leaders, the people that people want to follow are the ones who are genuinely, authentically themselves. Amen. Well said. Anything you want to say that you haven't had a chance to

Marty: say here? No, I have something I want to talk to you about afterwards about music and harmony, but we'll do that. Okay.

Bill: We'll, we'll have to figure out the dials and the buttons to push so that we can,

Marty: so that we can incorporate more, more music in our, in our

Bill: podcast.

Marty: In the meantime, thank you all for joining. We appreciate that and keep coming back and, um, we'll keep the conversation lively.

Bill: By the way, I believe the very next episode after this one will be a revisit from Nora Edelstein. Mm

Marty: hmm.

Bill: I probably said it wrong, Edelstein.

Marty: That's right.

Bill: Okay. Who joined us just a couple of weeks ago for, uh, project design. Part 2, we're going to talk with her again. And I've volunteered to be the guinea pig to design a project while being coached by Marty and Nora. That should be fun. That'll be project design. Part 3. Yes, until all right till next time. Take care. Thanks. Marty. Thanks. Everybody.